A Paranormal Origin Story

This episode dives into one paranormal investigators past exposing the creepy and terrifying experiences that he had before becoming an investigator.  What types of experiences do you think was had?  How did movies play a role?  And how and why did he become a paranormal investigator? 


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Josh 0:20

Hey everybody, welcome back to the Paranormal Peeps Podcast. I'm Josh, and I'm running solo tonight, as both Elisa and Jamie are out giving hair care tips to Sasquatch. So you guys got me tonight. And tonight I am going to kind of cover some of my origin story as a paranormal investigator and also answer some common questions associated to the paranormal and paranormal investigations. So let's get started. Some of you may have uh hopefully you've been here this entire time. Uh, but you know that up until a certain point in time in my life, I've been scared of ghosts. In fact, I did not want anything to do with them. And it wasn't until I started investigating my very first time that my wife got me into it, that I actually started enjoying it. But I did have paranormal experiences prior to becoming an investigator. And they started, I wouldn't say fairly young. They probably I think they were starting in my late teens, uh, where I had some experiences. And to me, it was always kind of tough because I was that kid with kind of an overactive imagination. It you know, it helps to be creative in that way, but also when you're kind of in that mindset, and your uh your parents let you watch the shining and also uh poltergeist before you're six years old, it didn't really help a whole lot. So for me, I was always kind of like scared of the dark, and it was more so, you know, just of the unknown, which is what you know kind of terrified me. So now obviously that's not an issue anymore, but it was growing up, and so I had some experiences, like I said before, like when I was driving, uh, I grew up in in North Dakota, which now it's funny because I grew up in the second largest town or city in North Dakota, in the suburb where I live in now in Utah is larger than that city, which is kind of funny. But we would drive a lot of times at night and in the countryside. Obviously, you know, you don't want to hit deer and stuff like that. But I had these feelings as I was driving that I was no longer alone and that there was somebody else in the car with me. I call them paranormal hitchhikers, you know, ghost, like hitchhiking ghosts essentially, you know, not the haunted mansion kind. Um now, I don't know uh for a fact if there was actually a spirit with me, but I just kind of had that feeling that there was somebody else in the car with me. Now it's entirely possible, uh, but I don't know. And those are kind of like that's one of the earlier things I can remember. Now, that never really terrified me. I don't know why it didn't, but that just never did. The time that I actually kind of freaked me out was I was working at this little sub shop, and this was in a town called East Grand Forks, which is right across the river from Grand Forks, where I lived. And so it's you know not uncommon to work in one town or and or the other. And this place was right next to a railroad track. And the interesting thing about it is there was a restaurant, or not a restaurant, right? It was a uh little sub shop, a little no-name subshop in the in the basement where I worked, and then upstairs was an ace hardware. Now, I was told by somebody that there used to be a restaurant in the building before we had the sub shop there. And this plays in part to this experience that I had. Now, to be fair, I didn't know that until I had this experience. So that's the important part is that I didn't I wasn't pre uh disposed to know that ahead of time. But what's interesting is I worked nights and I worked alone, uh, which you know, most places now, if you're if you're the closer, you're not working alone. It's just not safe. But this was the 90s, late 90s, and I was, you know, I was safe. Uh it was, you know, nothing really was gonna happen. So one night I'm there by myself, and this guy walks in and he uh just giving me his order. You know, it's pretty common. It's just him across the counter from me. And as he's giving me his order, I get this weird static sound in my ears, almost like the ringing like tinnitus in your ear. But this was actually a lot louder. And the the crazy thing was is that it blocked him out. I couldn't hear what he was saying, and then it faded, and I heard the sound of a restaurant. I heard people talking, glasses, uh clinking, you know, knives and forks on plates, like you could hear it perfectly plain as day. And I kept my cool. I could have freaked out, I think it would have freaked the guy out, honestly. But he didn't react to it. And so when it stopped and I could hear normal conversation again, I just politely said, I'm I'm sorry, I didn't get that. Can you can you please repeat yourself? And he was very kind to do that. But he, I mean, he if he heard it, he made no notion that he heard that noise going on, so it was kind of freaky in that avenue. And I would love to say that that was the last thing I had happen in this place, but it wasn't. Another thing that happened is again, it's this these things usually happen to me at night. And I can tell you, by the time I left the place, I was happy to leave, to be honest, because it started one month, and I can't remember what month it was. Uh, I think it was probably closer to Halloween, and it started on a full moon, and for uh the rest of that month, it was very intense for me. And honestly, I hated working there after that. It was just really kind of freaky. And so, so that was one incident. The other one, I'm sitting in the back uh and I'm doing dishes, and that's you know, common thing, you know, it's a sub shop. It's like imagine like a subway, right? It's got all those little trays and things. And so I'm in the back and I'm just washing them and and you know, drying them and doing the things that I'm supposed to be doing to close the shop up at the night. And it's 1020 at night. And remember, we're buying railroad tracks in kind of a it's not a residential part of town, and it's not in it's more like industrial instead of commercial. And so I'm sitting there and I hear little girls playing loudly, like I can hear it both ears, and I stop and I'm like, what the heck is that? And so, you know, I I I walk out to see if there's anybody outside. There's nobody outside, and it's like, well, that is just odd. Who is letting their kids, little girls? I mean, they sounded like eight, nine years old, you know, little ones, like who's letting them play outside at night at 10:30, you know, like growing up in this time frame, it wasn't uncommon for kids to be playing outside by themselves, but the rules usually stated, you know, when it's dark or when those streetlights come on, come home. And so being later in the year, those would have been on about six, seven o'clock. And so, um, you know, they wouldn't have most people wouldn't be out there, especially when there's no homes in the area. Now, those two incidences only happened once, and there was another incident that happened just one time, and now I can't really cock or chalk this up to paranormal per se, but it was weird and it did freak me out because I did scream a little bit on this one. So I was again in the back cleaning, and we had a uh a doorbell alarm that would, you know, anytime you walk in to the place, it would go off. So that way, you know, you weren't shocked to see someone standing there. And lo and behold, I walk out and there's someone standing there, and I didn't know that they were there, and I did. I kind of screamed out just a little bit, kind of like one of those. Uh, and I may or may not have dropped what I was carrying. I can't quite remember, but it was it was actually quite funny. But that was one of the later incidences that happened while I was living there, or living, geez. Sometimes it feels like you're living at work, right? Um, but it was just one of those incidences, and one of the last incidences that happened, the ones that happened before that actually were even tougher because these are all single incidences. There was one that happened every night, and I couldn't explain it, and it was just freaking me out. So, again, working at night by yourself, right? There was instead of having a wall uh on the one side, we had an open glass window that looked out into the hallway. And you could see people come and go, right? Which is nice because then you don't get freaked out and throw stuff when someone walks in the door at you know 10 o'clock at night when you're trying to work or trying to close. So you could see outside. Well, when I was doing my closing duties and cleaning up, you know, you can look out the window. And every time I did that, I would see this woman standing there, maybe 18 to 22, somewhere in that range. And she was just standing there. I could only see the top half of her, I couldn't see the bottom half. And she had on what I can only describe at times is like the Star Trek next generation shirt, you know, uniform. That's what it kind of reminded me of. It just looked weird. The part is that she only stood in one spot and stared into the restaurant every single night. And I did my best to try to figure out what it was. Like I would, you know, walk out, look in the hallway, nothing there. Pretty common, right? That's the first thing you're gonna do if you think there's someone standing and staring at you. The next thing I did is I took down, uh, we had these chip, uh, like a chip rack that hung on the wall right next to the soda machine. I took that down, put that, put that aside so it wouldn't cause a reflection. That didn't do it. I have no idea to this day what that was, what I was seeing. Was it a ghost? I don't know. Was it uh some form of paradolia that I was experiencing? And because of with the way my mind was, that I just made it look like you know, my mind just perceived it to be a woman standing there, very possible. But I can tell you that it freaked me out every single night. And in the span, this all this stuff happened in the span of a month, and I'm like, I'm good. And uh I eventually left and I was super, super happy that I was gone, you know. Bummed I didn't have a job, but then again, you know, this was like just right after high school. I I uh I I could live without having a job back then and just get another one. And so those are like the the ones that freaked me out. Now, there was another incident that happened, and this this was terrifying because this is not your run-of-the-mill ghost, you know, what we would consider like, you know, like a run-of-the-mill ghost thing, where it's like, oh, there's this little thing, and you know, it's it's it's grandma, it's grandpa, it's you know, Uncle Fred. This was truly demonic. And I know it was because of how it made me feel, what it made what it asked me to do. Thank goodness I never did these uh things that it was asking me to do. And it was only ever in one house, which is just I don't know why it was there. I it wasn't attached to me, I know that because it never followed me, but it was in this house, and so uh it was in my ex's house. And when I would come over and visit, and we were together for years, so uh, I think it was eight or nine years we were together in my younger days, and anytime I was over hanging out, because it was you know often, right? And this didn't happen right away. This is the part that is interesting about it, is it didn't happen right away, it happened kind of in the middle third of it, which is really weird. But anytime I was over there, and I'd be hanging out in the basement because that's where everybody hung out, that's where they had they had redone the basement to be like a family room type of area. So, like there was computer gaming and there was uh karaoke and music and TV, and it was just fun, right? In a wet bar down there, and it was just it was just fun. But I'd be sitting down there and this voice would come into my head and say, you know, you can kill them all. And it would give me instructions on what to do, who to shoot first, because they were they were gun owners, and there were guns laying around. It's not uncommon. It's it's North Dakota's like rural country anyway, right? And so it's not uncommon for people to have firearms laying around. Uh, some of them, I mean, there were none of them were really loaded, but there was ammunition around, and it kept doing it over and over and over again. And it was it was terrifying, honestly, because not only would it give you me instructions on how to do it, it gave me images as well of me doing these things. And it's just it's scary the level that these dark demon entities, these dark entities can go to try to manipulate individuals to do things that they necessarily wouldn't normally do. But that's kind of their point, right? And so, yeah, it was it was spooky. Now, I would love to say that was the last of my experiences before I became an investigator, but it wasn't. The other one that happened, and this one was interesting because it didn't freak me out, but it did actually give me a sense of calm, which is uh which is interesting. And honestly, the part is is that this was this was about the same time, honestly, that I was having this demonic issues over at my ex's house. And I was living on my own. It was my first real solo apartment, right? I had gotten back from basic training in AIT because I had joined the uh North Dakota Army National Guard and I was living on my own. I was working at Domino's, and uh life was great. You know, I was living in this uh old house that was converted into like six apartments. Pretty common uh in that area uh for people to do that. They take these old homes, uh, they would uh chop it up into four to six apartments, and and it'd be an easy way for people to uh you know convert one home into you know multiple apartments and make some money off of it. I think my rent at the time was like $300. I mean, it was ridiculously low. And working at Domino's, I had more than enough money. I mean, shows you the time of day it was. Uh tell me, you know, just different time for sure. But I knew that place, that place felt haunted to me too, because I would be sitting in my bedroom and I would hear voices coming from the other room. And I'd go, I'd you know, I'd get up and I'd look and go into the other room, and there's no voices, there's no TV, there's no nothing. Now, to be fair, it is possible that it was people below me or another neighbor or something like that, because there were, you know, people around. I think there were actually two apartments below me. And so, yeah, it's possible. I don't, I can't say definitively that it was one way or the other, right? But I just had that feeling. But there was one day, and uh my ex had come over to visit, and and I wasn't feeling the greatest, so I decided to go take a nap, right? And so I go into the bedroom and I uh take a nap, and she was hanging out in the living room doing, I don't know, watching TV or something. I can't quite remember. And I got woken up by someone walking into the room and sitting down on the bed, and you could feel the bed compress. Now, of course, first thought, right? It is somebody physical, right? Because then I could feel, you know, I felt the bed compress and then the bed decompressed, and so it's like, oh yeah, that's definitely, you know, the axe, right? But I went out and talked to her and she's like, No, it wasn't me. I didn't do it. I was I've been out here the whole time. So makes you wonder, right? Was it really something uh paranormal? I I honestly believe it was, and I and and to this day I do feel it's more like you know, like a guardian angel style, someone looking over me, you know, just to kind of sit down, give me comfort. Because when it happened, again, I was experiencing all this other negativity, this negative stuff. So when this happened, it didn't freak me out, it actually gave me comfort. And so that was a lot, it was really neat. It was a lot of fun. Uh or not fun, I shouldn't say fun, um, but it was just really neat. And uh after that, I I I went to college, right? And I had one experience in college, and this one was freaky because it wasn't my first year, it was my second year in college, and I was sitting down in the dorm common area, and it was late at night, it was probably 11 o'clock, and I was just studying, I was reading a book. Um, I was going to I was going to school at the time for uh software engineering, so it was more than likely uh a textbook of of something you know scientific or or something along that line. And so I'm sitting there reading, studying, and you know when you're sitting down and you're reading, you can kind of see over the top of your book and you can see out, right? And so I'm doing that, and I see an old lady look around the corner, just her head, right? Peer around the corner, look into the common room, and go and go back. And I'm like, what the heck was that? So I get up, put my book down, get up, walk into the hallway, and this is one of those dorms where you can stand in the main hallway and look down from one end to the other and see all the way down on either side. And so I do that, and there's nobody there. I was like, well, that was freaky. And I started talking to other people in the dorms about that. And now I lived in a uh co-ed dorm. Uh, each different floor was a different um, was designated male-female. What's interesting is I was talking to people, um, some of the other residents, some of the other female residents that lived there, they're like, we had similar instances that happened to us, but they were in the bathroom where they had people walking into the bathroom, you know, another woman, and you could see her legs, her feet, but they were transparent, and that's very interesting. So didn't take too much of it. But those were a lot of the instances, and then for years nothing really happened until I moved into this one apartment, and this apartment I didn't I did not like. I lived there for lived there for you know a handful of years actually, because I liked the I like the apartment, I didn't like the bedroom. And it always kind of gave me the creeps, and part of it, let's be honest, is the fact that the mirror or the the doors to the closet that were in there were full mirrored. And there's still to this day something creepy about looking into the mirror in the dark, like in a dark room. And I always had this terrifying phobia of looking into a mirror in the dark and seeing not my face looking back at me, but a skull, like a skeletal face looking back at me. I don't know why. Always freaked me out. Chalk it up, you know, I chalk it up to the horror movie genre of things, right? And so like that always like was always a little freaky. And so I wasn't sure what it was. And then what then what ended up happening is Jamie, my my wife, she came and lived with me in that apartment. And she could see what was causing the disturbance in the room. And it ended up being this woman, this old lady, who was angry and she didn't like, you know, she didn't like us being there and just gave me the heebie jeebies. But, you know, eventually we moved out. And uh we told you about some some of the instances that happened when we lived in Washington, where, again, this is all pre-paranormal investigator Josh, right? But being with my wife, who was more open to the paranormal, I started to come around a little bit more and be a little more open to it, not so freaked out, right? Because this house that we lived in, it was a brand new built house. It was overlooking this lake. We called it the lake, we call it the lake house, and absolutely gorgeous. But there was a little boy that was in that house. Now, we think it was attracted to our son, who was just a little guy at the time, too. Uh, three, you know, uh two, three-ish years, three-ish years old and and above. And because we lived there for years, and I'd see this boy every so often. And like there was a time I was sitting there doing laundry and I'm folding clothes in the dryer, and it's kind of in the open area in the basement. So you can see the stairs, they're just right off to the right. And I see this little boy walk down the stairs and like, you know, conch down and look through the slats, again, thinking it's my son, right? Turn around to acknowledge my son, and then there's nobody there. I was like, well, that's definitely weird. And another case, I was working in uh one of my what I called at that time this room that called the office, my office. This is where I started uh doing uh my programming work. And I was working on something, and I can't remember, I can remember what. Uh I could have been going to school at the time too. But anyway, um, this little boy walks into, I mean, I can see it clearly because I normally am looking at my screen, but you know, with peripheral vision, you can see quite a bit of different things. And out of the peripheral, I catch this boy walking into my office and stopping right at my desk. Again, something that a little boy like your son would do. Turn around and look, nobody there. Got a little braver this time, put my hand out where I thought the boy would be standing, and it was definitely colder, definitely a cold spot there, you know. And so that was really interesting on that avenue. And then we ended up moving to Washington, or not Washington, back. We moved to Utah, and it was shortly after we moved to Utah that Jamie got me to go on my very first paranormal investigation. And I'll be honest, I really wasn't looking forward to doing the investigation. That still freaked the crud out of me. But people like Steve Gonzales from Ghost Hunters, because we'd we'd watch Ghost Hunters, Steve Gonzales was supposed to be there, Dustin Perry was going to be there, the haunted collector uh was gonna be there, John Zapphis, and the big, the big dog, Josh Gates. And he was doing Expedition Unknown at the time, and so I was like, Well, this is really cool. I get to meet Josh Gates, this is super, super cool. And so, of course, I paid the fee and uh super happy to go do this. It was a two-day event. Uh, one night was uh a meet and greet, and then the next night was this investigation, and so we did the investigation, and we're standing outside of Waverly Hills, and I am freaking out inside. I am nervous, I am terrified. I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm going to this super dark building where it's supposed to be Uber haunted, and there's gonna be all sorts of stuff happening, and it's gonna be terrifying. And you know, it wasn't. And it can remember though, at this point in time, I'm actually 40 years old or close to 40. I'm in my late 30s, and I'm still scared of the dark. And so the idea, the thought of me sitting in a dark room terrified me, right? Thinking about walking down the body chute at Waverly Hills terrified me. Because you know the one thing about Waverly Hills is you got better or you died, and there were people, a lot of people who died on that property. And so, of course, you're thinking this is going to be super scary because it's kind of how they show you on TV, right? A little bit, they make it look super scary. Let me tell you, it's not for the most part, it's not scary. And investigating Waverly, it was just it was fun. I enjoyed it, and we've gotten some really neat EVPs uh from that investigation. And we went armed with a digital voice recorder, which I still have and use today, and a flashlight. That was it. That's all we had. We didn't have all these other gadgets and gizmos and stuff like that. And we were sitting there, you know, investigating and we're kind of like doing some of the things that you see on TV and stuff. And what's real funny is I was asking, I put down a flashlight, right? And I was like, Hey, could you move the flashlight for me? And I get this EVP response of a little child, like, no. And it's like, oh, so you don't want to, or you can't, right? It wasn't sure which one, but it just kind of had that snarky feeling, like, no, I'm not gonna do what you ask. And that's just kind of funny. Uh it it was on that investigation that and I I didn't see this personally, right? But Jamie saw a pair of legs, just a pair of legs walking across an open area where there was nobody, you know, there or standing. That's kind of crazy if you, you know, only see a pair of legs walking. And I don't recall seeing anything at all on that first investigation there. I remember still not really liking the the dark, you know. I kind of kept my flashlight on a lot, just made me feel more comfortable. And I think we had a black light flashlight, so it was a purple light. Made it a little bit easier uh on your eyes, but like we didn't do a ton. I mean, we stayed there the entire night, and we were like the one of the last people to leave. But we got a handful of EVPs, and still to this day, our best EVP ever was at that investigation on the very first time, and it was a it's a full two-sentence EVP, and it's amazing. And then uh we have it on our waverly uh episodes, it's on there, so you can go back and listen to those and you'll hear it. But it's it's interesting how that's what hooked me is just knowing that it's not super freaky, and it wasn't until a year or a year or year and a half later that I did have what I would consider my most terrifying paranormal experience while investigating. And that would happen at uh Eureka, Utah, in an old bank building, and now there's a like a typewriter, a historic typewriter salesman in there or something like that. I've never I've gone to the building several times to go talk to the guy, but it's always closed. So I really don't know what he sells or she sells in inside the store. But I was in this back room of this building, and because we were on a public uh investigation, and our team lead was like, Hey, sometimes this spirit likes to hang out in here. And as soon as she opened the door, I was hit with an immediate and intense terror, and that's super hard to explain. But I wanted to crawl back through the wall that I was sitting against. It was just terrifying, and it wasn't anything that really happened, right? Like you didn't see something happen, but it was terrifying. And it was uh after they everybody left, I asked my wife to close the door, and as soon as she did, I felt at ease. Now, it could be something mind, you know, a mind game or something like that, and your mind playing tricks on you uh in those things, but I will tell you this: the panic and the fear was real to me. It was terrifying, and it was to this day still the scariest thing that's ever happened to me. And I've been back to Waverly Hills, I've you know investigated prisons and and other places where there are really evil things lurking around, and I've walked through there by myself at times, and it's it's still not, and nothing has compared to that moment to this day so far, you know, and I've had I've had feelings of in unease in places uh while investigating, but nothing like this. This was absolutely the worst experience I've ever had in my life, but it's interesting because those are things that have really uh molded me as an investigator. There's one other incident that happened, and this is a place called the Family Tree Restaurant, and it's been on ghost adventures in the past, and it's supposed to be super haunted. And I will tell you, the last time we were there, it was, and it got a little freaky because people were getting attacked. Because, again, there was what we call a type three entity, which is a non-human spirit. Uh, other people call them demons, elementals, whatever. Uh, they they're just not nice, right? And this one, for whatever reason, was attached to a certain book that was in the basement. It's like a health science book, makes no sense, honestly. It's like the most benign thing in the world, but it they were definitely attached to this book. And why we were there, because there's also supposedly, again, I only going off what people have told me because I have not experienced it personally, but supposedly there's a portal there, and this entity was guarding the portal, probably to keep things in or out. I'm not entirely certain how that they protect those things, but this one uh it was given a nickname of Lucy by the team that uh we investigated there with on a couple different occasions, and they people have pictures of of this of this thing, and it's the one picture that I've seen is this little girl that's got black eyes, and it's honestly it's kind of freaky, super freaky. But I was hanging out in there all night long during one investigation, and not a whole lot was happening. We're just kind of sitting there having a conversation with another investigator. It was fun, it was just a really fun night. But we had these people come down and investigate with us, and when we had like 10 people down there, this entity really kind of started getting riled up and ramped up and started touching people and like, hey, look, you can't touch us, this is not allowed. But what's real interesting is we're sitting on their pitch black, and I've been down the whole night in the pitch black, right? But I look up and I can see over the top of me, right, is like this web of thoughts. Like uh, it makes me think of like a um the inside of a fishing net, kind of, right? Kind of like that, and it was like domed over the top of me, and it was very strange. And the only thing I can think of is some form of protection, something that was protecting me from this entity. Don't know anything about, I mean, it's only every time it's ever happened during investigations that one time, and I can't explain it, but it was weird, it was it was interesting, and like I've had other experiences investigating in other places, and so it's those things that kind of keep me coming back because we're trying to explain what really happens, right? And some of it, let's face it, there's a thrill involved. Like when you're sitting in a cabin with just two people, right? And your hands are on top of a table and your feet are flat on the floor, and the table is bumped up and down violently, uh, like someone slamming, you know, the underside of it or punching the underside of it, hitting it. It's it's kind of exhilarating, right? If you see a shadow uh in the dark and a shadow ball in the dark move into a room from the hallway, you know, coming towards you in the hallway, and then shoots into a room, those are really, really neat things, those are fascinating. Other people gonna run and you know, they'll you know, they'll go run and hide. We kind of run towards that because we're trying to understand who's there. Because the one thing we've said on on many occasions is people don't like to be forgotten, right? And we believe that there are human spirits, that not everything is uh, you know, demonic or an angel, right? There are those who believe that we don't necessarily believe that, but you know, it could be just grandma or somebody like that. And people don't like to be forgotten. And so that's the thing is we do is we we make sure that we have these conversations with spirits because they don't want to be forgotten. We try to get as much information as we can uh from them, you know, who they were, what they did, you know, and it's a tough conversation, you know, because they can't always respond in a way that we can hear, right? There are those individuals who are what we call sensitive that can pick up on spirits, see them, hear them, right? And those people can have a much more thorough conversation with them and one that could actually be, you know, productive in that avenue. For individuals like me, we have to rely on equipment to help do these conversations. Now, I know a lot of people, and me included, I'm very skeptical of equipment, uh, REM pods, K2 meters, uh, any other EMF style device, right? Uh spirit boxes, any of those things, right? Gadgets and gizmos that are being used for what we would consider potential scientific research, but these things were never uh truly designed for that, except for, to be fair, the the EMF meter spirit box. Now, that was created for that. The Melmeter was created that for that purpose. The the inventor of the Melmeter created it because his daughter died and he wanted a way to communicate with his daughter, and his daughter's nickname was Mel. So I think it's short for Melissa. It's very heart-wrenching. That was actually probably one of the best episodes of Ghost Adventures I've ever seen. But it does like those things aren't really, you know, they they you can spoof them, right? You can spoof a Mel meter by using your phone, by using another EMF emitting device. Even your cameras, your video equipment can will emit EMF and can make those things spike. Same thing with REM pods, right? You can set a REM pod off with a walkie-talkie. So how can you trust anybody? It's a tough, that's a tough thing, right? You have to know the individuals to trust them. There are people that I've investigated with that I trust wholeheartedly. I know that they're in it for the right reason. There's other people out there that I don't trust at all. And I wouldn't trust them to give you an honest answer of anything. But you know what? People watch them anyway. People go to their YouTube channels, watch them, enjoy them, meet them at you know, paracons or whatever like that, and they're the great it's the greatest thing in the world. Remember, if you're putting things up, especially television, right? Television is designed for entertainment. So what they're showing you, what they're giving you is all through the lens of entertainment. Try to find someone that gives you through the lens of scientific or you know, a an eye of skepticism, right? Not everything is paranormal. Not every time a K2 meter goes off, is it paranormal? Not every time a REM pod goes off, is it paranormal, right? Even the the uh even the spirit box is not always going to give you what you're looking for, right? It can give you false positives to questions, potentially, right? What I look for when I use equipment is consistent and repetitive responses to the questions that I'm asking. And so have I gotten a lot of luck with uh with a K2 meter? No, gotten very little actually. Um, I've gotten, you know, I don't have a REM pod, so I I've I've used one, I've been borrowed, I've borrowed one from some people. Again, nothing, you know, consistent, nothing that gives me what I'm looking for. You know, the best things that we've had that that have ever worked for us are dowsing rods and um uh voice recorders. And dowsing rods are interesting because they don't take any energy, they don't take any um, they're not, you know, they don't take batteries or anything, they're just pieces of copper instead of a copper tube. But to watch those things move when your hands are s are sitting still and you watch those rods move and answer questions, and they and they're we what we do is we say cross for yes, push them apart for no, keep them straight for um, I don't know, like there's a couple different ways you can do it. And it's it's crazy when you're watching these things move and answering questions, and then you're able to garner information, and then can you back it up? And that's the that's the last piece that we use is after an investigation, when we get done, we collect all of this stuff, right? Names as best we can, information associated to uh people that we're talking to, or we think we're talking to, right? Because can't see them, don't know. And when you get done, you know, we take it back and we start looking it up. And there was a place we were in this town called Thistle. Thistle is a tragic town. Uh, there was a landslide that blocked a river, and the entire town was wiped off the face of the earth, just gone. And so we were at this this town, it's called Thistle. We're hanging out with some friends, and there was they have this farmhouse for the lack of a better word. There's nothing in it, right? Like it's completely gutted. There's a stairs from the from the upstairs to the downstairs. But we were investigating it and we got a name and some information uh about this this person that owned this home that was there, right? The spirit that was there. And I was actually able to go through and look through the public records and find the owner of the house. And wouldn't you know it, it matched. And that's the coolest thing in the world when you can get a full match. The other thing that happened there, and we didn't see this happen, but people were were very common to break onto this property and do not so nice things, right? There was actually a pentagram uh drawn, uh painted on into the basement, right? And someone had pulled through a type three at this place, and what's we we don't have any video evidence of this, but we have audio. And we were we had this ping pong ball, and ping pong balls are very easy to move, right? You can easily roll a ping pong ball. But we had left it in a spot, and we told this this entity to move it, like move it, like uh if you know, we just want to see you move this thing, and so we were we left the building, we were sitting outside by a campfire, just kind of chilling, hanging out, and you we heard the ball bounce down the stairs and onto the concrete. And we went back and listened to the digital recorder, and you can hear the ball rolling down the wood boards as it traveled the length of this room to the stairs. Now it's not a normal staircase, it's a spiral staircase, right? It bounced on the spiral staircase and then came back the direction that it originally rolled, right? So it made a big U inside this house and it landed and stopped in the center of this pentagon or pentagon, pentagram. Kind of freaky. If there's any you know proof that this thing was what it says it was, it's a pretty good shot. So everybody, I hope you enjoyed this time of hanging out with me. I always like telling uh my paranormal stories. If you guys want to know more, hey, hit me up on uh any of our socials. We can answer more questions. If you got questions you want to hear answered, we can either answer them individually or answer them as a group. And if you enjoyed this type of content, please like and subscribe. It does help us out. And as always, stay ghosty, my peeps.

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